Friday 4 December 2009

because the CBOX doesn't allow more than a certain amount of characters

right i'll get straight to it.


jsh: hmm. u do believe that we have a natural moral compass within us right? and that we all agree that we are to do somethings and not do somethings.
jsh: my questions is do you think that we exist on our own. OR that we are under a moral law that Somebody wants us to behave a certain way.

actually, josh, if u read my 'response post 1' thoroughly, u could most accurately come to a conclusion on where i stand on this subject. that yes, i DO believe that we as human beings exist on our own and that we are capable of choosing whether to do, think and say certain things but are also capable of choosing not to.
that yes, i do believe that we are under a moral law and that 'somebody' wants us to behave that way. but i do not believe that that 'somebody' registers as some divine power or being. i believe that this 'somebody' is actually, everybody. every single human being.
this is due to the fact that i know and believe that people operate on empathy.
that i choose not to hit someone not because i feel that god would dislike and shun my actions, probably deny me my passage to heaven and damn me to hell but because i know that what hurts me, would hurt someone too.


wh: do you really believe that all of us are born with a moral compass? Hint : Cannibalism, bullying,etc


i really do believe we are all born with a sense of empathy and i know things like cannibalism and bullying blows my arguments right out of the water but read this:

Things are different in the case of the cool and deliberate serial killer, who knows the criminality of his deeds yet continues to commit them. For neuroscientists, the iciness of the acts calls to mind the case of Phineas Gage, the Vermont railway worker who in 1848 was injured when an explosion caused a tamping iron to be driven through his prefrontal cortex. Improbably, he survived, but he exhibited stark behavioral changes—becoming detached and irreverent, though never criminal. Ever since, scientists have looked for the roots of serial murder in the brain's physical state.
extracted from "what makes us moral" TIME magazine


jsh: plus i think that no one in the world has ever obeyed their own moral law.

too open ended and undefined. unwilling to comment.

wh: abt individuals?If so,i beg to differ. Case being Jesus, Buddha,certain monks and priests of many religions. Can you say they did not obey their own moral law? if i'm on the wrong track, do explain
wh: just in case you're going to use my last sentence as a +1 to religion, this is not restricted to religious ppl. enlightenment does not have to come from religion.

wh, are u implying that enlightenment is achieved by obeying the moral law?



jsh: ok just ask yourself whether your conscience was groomed or was it already IN you. if you say the former, ive got nothing else to say. lol

i think u have the definition of former confused? because it sounds like u are dismissing the fact that one's conscience was groomed. does this mean that your conscience tells u the same thing now as it did when u were 4 or 5?
or do you mean that everyone has a conscience no matter how young and that one's conscience is not born spontaneously?







and joshua, i think i know where you're going with your arguements

correct me if I'm wrong but you feel that the "moral law" has such a broad spectrum and that if the moral law was defined by oneself, a difference in the constituents of one's moral law between two people might result in a probable disastrous result.
therefore u feel that the one way to achieve social harmony is by implementing ONE and only ONE moral law. GOD'S law.

theoretically speaking, yes. i would agree that one common moral law would be just the thing we need. but bear in mind, the factors that surround social harmony and human well being are plentiful. that is why i say theoretically.

however i do not believe that this common law should be gods law, simply because the god law operates on fear of the afterlife and divine punishment.
although this is exactly what the world needs, and i am willing to admit it..
i still believe that one day education will replace religion.



cheers,
chuen.

PS chicks name is Susan Coffey

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